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    Homestuck General

    Post by Raidou on Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:08 pm

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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Lemurian on Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:49 pm

    TEREZIIIIIIII!
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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Lord Voldemort on Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:07 pm

    Okay, NOW there is no doubt that Hussie was, to SOME extend, deliberately trolling the Vriska fanbase with this.
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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Hilarity on Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:28 pm

    KARMA, BITCH.
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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Vriska Serket on Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:38 pm

    D::::

    That hurt.
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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Hilarity on Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:17 pm

    Sorry Ozriska. :(

    But.... UHHH... at least this is preferable to the alternative.
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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Vriska Serket on Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:21 pm

    Either way it has a favor8 character of mine 8eing all DEAD.

    D::::

    *wishes she could take a third option here where 8oth Terezi and Vriska are still alive*
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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Raidou on Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:37 pm

    >mfw Terezi pwns Vriska

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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Vriska Serket on Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:49 pm

    You guyyyyyyyys, I got shown sta8s over here, what, I don't get any sympathy? D::::

    (yeah I am wildly out of character, also yeah I am upset a8out dead!Vriska.)
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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Raidou on Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:52 pm

    You guyyyyyyyys, I got shown sta8s over here, what, I don't get any sympathy? D::::





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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Vriska Serket on Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:55 pm

    (oh gog don't go showing me dead Tavros and making me even sadder.)

    8luuuuuuuuh. D::::
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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Raidou on Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:58 pm

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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Vriska Serket on Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:59 pm

    Yeah, I'm sure several of you are really pleased. Guess I was just too awesome to last.

    I'll just w8 for Lemurian. Lemurian will pro8a8ly actually care.
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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Raidou on Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:07 pm

    Nope, I'm just feeling in the mood to post animated gifs of Homestuck. Speaking of which...











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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Vriska Serket on Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:09 pm

    Ok, those are pretty awesome.

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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Lemurian on Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:12 pm

    I care very much, yes.
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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Raidou on Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:14 pm

    That's cause Yukari-tan hasn't found out about your secret affair yet, Lem. :D

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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Vriska Serket on Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:34 pm

    Still D::::-ing over here.

    May8e I'll feel 8etter when the Vriska shirt I ordered arrives. May8e it'll just make me sad. I dunno.
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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Hilarity on Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:37 pm

    In all seriousness though, I just don't get how anyone could like such a smug, insufferable character. I'm honestly not trying to flamebait here, and I'm not being sarcastic. It actually does confuse me a bit, because she seems to me like someone who was practically tailor made for you to root to be defeated, and be glad when she actually got what was coming to her.

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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Vriska Serket on Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:42 pm

    I don't know why I like her either. I mean, yes, I know she's horri8le. She's a huge 8itch. On the other hand there's something interesting a8out her too.

    I used to h8 her. I h8d her so much, and if I'd known 8ack when she was introduced that she'd end up DEAD I would've 8een happy with it. 8ut somehow she grew on me. I wish I could point to specific reasons why, since otherwise it really does sound like it's just a "Draco In Leather Pants" thing when I don't think that's entirely the case. Partly may8e, 8ut not entirely.
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    Post by Raidou on Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:44 pm

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DracoInLeatherPants

    I think part of it is that people were drawn to how initially silly she was with her insufferable and smug attitude (with a shitton of quotable lines like "All of the Levels. All of them"). Then she got this (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JerkAssWoobie) trope applied to her. And thus...Vriska in Leather Pants.
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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Hilarity on Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:55 pm

    It's funny that you mention her woobieness, because, to me, that is the only real thing that redeems her... hell, I'd even go as far as saying it makes her a pretty decent character, and one of the more complex trolls. And yet, people who are seriously fanatical about her don't even want to acknowledge that side of her exists, meaning the smug side is actually what they like. Wow. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is the impression I get. Thus, I'm back to square one, not really understanding much.

    I did figure leather pants would be a reason, I guess I was just expecting more. Oh well.
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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Lemurian on Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:03 pm

    Well, at the beginning I was just mainly "yeah, okay, psycho", but then I started realizing that all of the trolls were pscyhos in their own ways. Finally, I arrived at the end result that Trolls were so different from humans that I wouldn't try to liken them to human ideas of morals and ethics and stuff like that, and just focused on their personalities and what they did. And Vriska got to do all kinds of awesome stuff in the beginning (mind control, frickin' cool weapon, WoMDs, all the levels) that really made her feel like a character capable of doing stuff (together with Equius and Eridan).

    Especially her interaction with the other trolls really got me. She was tough and strong, and if that made her a bitch, then I liked it. She was the top dog, and if she made some mistakes here and there, well, then that just showed that she was human trollish. Sure, she was torturous towards Tavros and mean to Terezi, but I never liked those two very much; the former because of he never seemed do anything and the latter because she was so insufferably smug. As for her being responsible for Beq Noir...well, I must admit I didn't directly like it, but I understood her line of thinking.

    But what really clinched it for me was that the look we got into her mind, and then especially the Woobie-moments, made me understand how Troll society was like. Her ambition and look at others lives really made me understand what kind of mindset these children grew up in, and then particularly the violent culture and the complicated romance. Because what she represented to me was a product of an incredibly different (and well thought out) way of living. She was a real character, a real kid, striving to fit all that society demanded of her, what her Lusus demanded from her, the image of her Ancestor and what she herself really wanted.

    And now she's dead.
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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Vriska Serket on Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:03 pm

    Oh, her showing even a 8it of remorse after killing Tavros defin8ly helped, otherwise I might've gone right 8ack to h8ing her after that.

    I think she was defin8ly one of the more complic8d characters, and I think that's a good part of why I ended up liking her. At first it was more "one-dimensional huge 8itch Mary Sue wanna8e" 8ut once we got into her actual reasons for doing what she did, strange as some of them may have 8een, we got to see that hey, she actually has depth.
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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Raidou on Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:03 pm

    Really, Hil-kun? I lurk the Homestuck general threads on /co/, and people prefer to play up her woobieness there. Well, if the people you know are attracted to her smugness, then that'd be an example of

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilIsCool

    and/or

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PerverseSexualLust

    And if she's dead, Lem? So what? She led a full life. She did far more then anyone expected of her, even herself. She got to the God Tier levels, and helped John ascend to them as well. Just because she ultimately doesn't kill the thing she created doesn't mean she died for nothing, right?
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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Lemurian on Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:08 pm

    No, but now I have no characters to root for or look forward to any more. Now I'm at the point where I'll just passively sit and watch while Terezi smugly takes over the spotlight and John tries to save everyone.
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    Re: Homestuck General

    Post by Hilarity on Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:10 pm

    @Lem: ...Wait. You think Terezi is smug, and yet Vriska doesn't bother you?

    ...What.

    Personally, I always liked Terezi a lot more because she never needed powers to do anything. Even Vriska envied her for that. But at least I'm getting the idea that I was wrong about people not liking/acknowledging her more human side. That does clear a lot of things up.

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